Wishlist Robert Lewandowski

[Hutcho 8,443]

It doesn't matter how good he is or isn't really atm as there is such a small chance of us getting him and he looks extremely likely to be joining united in the summer.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Just look at the likes of Tevez, Van Persie or Rooney(in form). They don't only score the goals but can also create for others by linking up the play etch. Just because they are specialize in more than 1 thing, doesn't mean they are not a good player. Nobody said anything like that when we had Drogba! Even with Drogba, we still different type of STs in Anelka, Kalou etc to provide something different upfront.

Problem with limited players is that if the opponent can prevent that ST from playing to his strengths, then he becomes immediately useless because he is limited and doesn't possess other type of abilities to help the team. At least with an all rounder ST, if the opponent negate one of their strengths, then he can use his other strengths/abilities to benefit the team as well in a dfferent way.

Keeping Falcao quiet will take at least 2 defenders, that leaves more space for our other players to exploit.

So to me that's not a 'valid argument' against not having a specialist...

Not being funny, just my opinion

[Hutcho 8,443]

Keeping Falcao quiet will take at least 2 defenders, that leaves more space for our other players to exploit.

So to me that's not a 'valid argument' against not having a specialist...

Not being funny, just my opinion

That is what the forum is for...

Lewandowski is better value at just over 15 mil but falcao is better imo. I am sure lewandowski will be a great finisher though at the bridge...

When he is scoring for united.

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Just look at the likes of Tevez, Van Persie or Rooney(in form). They don't only score the goals but can also create for others by linking up the play etch. Just because they are specialize in more than 1 thing, doesn't mean they are not a good player. Nobody said anything like that when we had Drogba! Even with Drogba, we still different type of STs in Anelka, Kalou etc to provide something different upfront.

Problem with limited players is that if the opponent can prevent that ST from playing to his strengths, then he becomes immediately useless because he is limited and doesn't possess other type of abilities to help the team. At least with an all rounder ST, if the opponent negate one of their strengths, then he can use his other strengths/abilities to benefit the team as well in a dfferent way.

Again, this is a simplistic way of looking at the contribution of players but fine....let's accept that Lewandowski's 'ability to help the team' (which has enabled him to get a massive THREE assists to Falcao's pitiful ONE) makes him 'an all-rounder'......

Ugh....

Look, it's not just about passing - It's about tying players up. You don't just contribute as a striker by winning headers or dropping off the front line (all of which I'm sure Falcao can do because I've seen him do it). You also contribute by taking a defender away from an attacking midfielder by making off the ball runs which a defender has to defend. That creates space for the likes of Mata or Hazard which is just as important as winning a knock-down for them to run onto.

Ultimately it comes down to want your team to do.

[Jase 43,479]

Keeping Falcao quiet will take at least 2 defenders, that leaves more space for our other players to exploit.

So to me that's not a 'valid argument' against not having a specialist...

Not being funny, just my opinion

Not necessary. Falcao maybe a great finisher but don't think he excels at linking up play. Though Lewandowski's finish may not be great but he's great at linking up the play etc and given that he's only 24 and available for a reasonable low fee, he can only get better.

Feel free to disagree if you want.

Again, this is a simplistic way of looking at the contribution of players but fine....let's accept that Lewandowski's 'ability to help the team' (which has enabled him to get a massive THREE assists to Falcao's pitiful ONE) makes him 'an all-rounder'......

Simplistic way of looking at the contribution of players? Just look at goal poachers like Mario Gomez then for Bayern. What else does he contribute to the team besides scoring goals? Same goes with Hernandez at United.

Ugh....

Look, it's not just about passing - It's about tying players up. You don't just contribute as a striker by winning headers or dropping off the front line (all of which I'm sure Falcao can do because I've seen him do it). You also contribute by taking a defender away from an attacking midfielder by making off the ball runs which a defender has to defend. That creates space for the likes of Mata or Hazard which is just as important as winning a knock-down for them to run onto.

Ultimately it comes down to want your team to do.

All of which Lewandowski can do as well and you're basically just repeating what my point about the STs.

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Not necessary. Falcao maybe a great finisher but don't think he excels at linking up play. Though Lewandowski's finish may not be great but he's great at linking up the play etc and given that he's only 24 and available for a reasonable low fee, he can only get better.

Feel free to disagree if you want.

Simplistic way of looking at the contribution of players? Just look at goal poachers like Mario Gomez then for Bayern. What else does he contribute to the team besides scoring goals? Same goes with Hernandez at United.

All of which Lewandowski can do as well and you're basically just repeating what my point about the STs.

'What does he contribute besides scoring goals?' might be one of the best things I've read on here. I hear Falcao can crochet and has a casual interest in hairdressing. That would help the squad.

Right now, Falcao is probably the best in the world at what he does. He does something we need. Now there are virtues to having Lewandowski over him, such as his age and the fact that he plays in a similar style to us, although there are rather stark stylistic differences. But let's not focus on superficial things like their contribution to the team which is partly down to the role they're asked to play and also doesn't seem to be supported by anything beyond your opinion.

We'd be lucky to pick up either player, and based on what I've seen they're both better options than Cavani but you've not presented a single argument with facts that supports the theory that Lewandowski would be a better option for our team.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Not necessary. Falcao maybe a great finisher but don't think he excels at linking up play. Though Lewandowski's finish may not be great but he's great at linking up the play etc and given that he's only 24 and available for a reasonable low fee, he can only get better.

Feel free to disagree if you want.

Simplistic way of looking at the contribution of players? Just look at goal poachers like Mario Gomez then for Bayern. What else does he contribute to the team besides scoring goals? Same goes with Hernandez at United.

All of which Lewandowski can do as well and you're basically just repeating what my point about the STs.

Hernandez the little c**t WINS games!

That's right WINS games - I hate him so much, but he does what is expected, score!

I don't care about link-up play - I care about HOW MANY times the striker scores, that's his job!!!

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'What does he contribute besides scoring goals?' might be one of the best things I've read on here. I hear Falcao can crochet and has a casual interest in hairdressing. That would help the squad.

Well then, you obviously have not watched enough of poachers like Gomez, Hernandez and understand those roles.

Right now, Falcao is probably the best in the world at what he does. He does something we need. Now there are virtues to having Lewandowski over him, such as his age and the fact that he plays in a similar style to us, although there are rather stark stylistic differences. But let's not focus on superficial things like their contribution to the team which is partly down to the role they're asked to play and also doesn't seem to be supported by anything beyond your opinion.

We'd be lucky to pick up either player, and based on what I've seen they're both better options than Cavani but you've not presented a single argument with facts that supports the theory that Lewandowski would be a better option for our team.

Oh gawd! Do I have to be so specific?!

I already said about Lewandowski's abilites of linking up the play, be it in holding up the play, bringing others into play, playing 1-2s, creating space for others with off the ball movements. In doing so, he can play in the likes of Mata, Hazard, Oscar etc into the space created to score. OR in tight areas inside the penalty box, he can hold up the ball, play 1-2s with Mata, Oscar or Hazard etc for them or him to score. OR through his off the ball movement, he can allow those 3 fellas mentioned or even Ramires to run beyond into the space vacated for them to score.

You may say that Falcao can do all that as well but I'm not convinced by it. Great finisher yes. Great in linking up the play? Question marks are still there IMO.

If you don't agree with that, then fine. Think it's pretty obvious that we have differing views about STs here. So, just agree to disagree then.

Hernandez the little c**t WINS games!

That's right WINS games - I hate him so much, but he does what is expected, score!

I don't care about link-up play - I care about HOW MANY times the striker scores, that's his job!!!

Agree to disagree then. I've had enough arguments about STs lately!

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You may say that Falcao can do all that as well but I'm not convinced by it.

If he had two more assists this season, would that help convince you?

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If he had two more assists this season, would that help convince you?

Falcao having a number of assists doesn't mean that he excels at linking up the play.

[Muzchap 8,966]

If he had two more assists this season, would that help convince you?

Lmao since when has a strikers job been to assist anyway?

1 assist vs 3 assists and a BIG difference in scored goals?

Hmm who would I rather have

[Muzchap 8,966]

Falcao having a number of assists doesn't mean that he excels at linking up the play.

But Lewandoski only has 3 where as Falcao has 1...

So that doesn't really back up the link play argument, in fact it makes link play almost irrelevant because the striker should be in the box waiting to score, not pissing around in the midfield see our current example

[Hutcho 8,443]

TBH, i know strikers linking up is incredibly useful but i would be more than happy to accept a selfish striker who bangs in goals for fun and whose one concern is scoring. We play with 1 up front and 5 in midfield, i am sure we can afford to have 1 player whose major focus is scoring.

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TBH, i know strikers linking up is incredibly useful but i would be more than happy to accept a selfish striker who bangs in goals for fun and whose one concern is scoring. We play with 1 up front and 5 in midfield, i am sure we can afford to have 1 player whose major focus is scoring.

Agreed think we are getting obsessed with something that's not needed

I blame Torres for that though, we've forgotten what a great striker does, so everybody is focusing on the wrong things

[Jase 43,479]

But Lewandoski only has 3 where as Falcao has 1...

So that doesn't really back up the link play argument,

Having the number of assists and excelling in link up play doesn't mean it's the lay-off OR the final pass by the ST to his teammate to score. Sometimes it is that but not necessarily always the case. It's also about keeping the passing flowing and going by linking up with the ST whether he drops deep or say playing 1-2s in a tight area in and/or around the penalty box.

in fact it makes link play almost irrelevant because the striker should be in the box waiting to score, not pissing around in the midfield see our current example

Yes, of a course a ST's main job is to score but there are so much more to the game than just having a ST who score these days. And really, with all the talk about Lewandowski's excelling in link up play here, people think as if his goalscoring record is as bad as Torres for us. Granted he may not be a goalscoring machine like Falcao but his finishing is still good. Scoring 30 goals in 47 appearances last season and 15 in 25 this season for Dortmund is not exactly a poor goalscoring return, is it?!

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Having the number of assists and excelling in link up play doesn't mean it's the lay-off OR the final pass by the ST to his teammate to score. Sometimes it is that but not necessarily always the case. It's also about keeping the passing flowing and going by linking up with the ST whether he drops deep or say playing 1-2s in a tight area in and/or around the penalty box.

Yes, of a course a ST's main job is to score but there are so much more to the game than just having a ST who score these days. And really, with all the talk about Lewandowski's excelling in link up play here, people think as if his goalscoring record is as bad as Torres for us. Granted he may not be a goalscoring machine like Falcao but his finishing is still good. Scoring 30 goals in 47 appearances last season and 15 in 25 this season for Dortmund is not exactly a poor goalscoring return, is it?!

So let's accept this notion that Falcao can't do link-up play and one-twos and whatnot as good as what Lewnaodwski does......is that a result of limited skill to pass the ball back to a player or the way in which their respective managers use them?

Or is it simply a faulty premise?

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I will be very happy if I see him in Chelsea shirt.I watch almost every Borussia's match and I can say that he is the best striker in the world at that moment.For me of course.

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So let's accept this notion that Falcao can't do link-up play and one-twos and whatnot as good as what Lewnaodwski does......is that a result of limited skill to pass the ball back to a player or the way in which their respective managers use them?

Or is it simply a faulty premise?

Did I specifically said that Falcao can't link up the play and play 1-2s? He can but is he good at it? Not convinced.

And if someone like Falcao doesn't excel in linking up the play etc, then obviously the team playing approach would become different by playing a certain way that caters to the strengths of the ST. Perhaps, it's a similar case to what we're doing with Torres at the moment.