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Juan Mata

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19 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Mata and Cesc in the same team would be a disaster unless we have over 80% possession most weeks.

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1 minute ago, Henrique said:

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Both are dreadful defensively and off the ball, with them in the same lineup the opposition would swamp our midfield and get no end of joy.

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24 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Both are dreadful defensively and off the ball, with them in the same lineup the opposition would swamp our midfield and get no end of joy.

I don't agree at all, you don't need 10 men being superb defensively, and Fabregas is quiet decent in that aspect.

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http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/mata-touched-reaction-chelsea-fans#:jmROQMJeu3jBWA

"It is always special for me to play in Stamford Bridge," he wrote in his blog.

"My feelings are different in a day like this, but once the referee blows the whistle for the kick-off, in my mind the only goal is to win, to give everything you have to help the team and to enjoy on the pitch.

"I have to say that I am deeply grateful for the reception from the Chelsea fans and their applause when I was substituted."

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'That happens to all of us, but then you start to notice it in the younger players. You see kids who think they’re rock stars, wearing extravagant clothes and driving fancy cars and sometimes you have to take them aside and have a word.'

Who is he talking about?

Memphis?!

I think he's the best example.

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37 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

'That happens to all of us, but then you start to notice it in the younger players. You see kids who think they’re rock stars, wearing extravagant clothes and driving fancy cars and sometimes you have to take them aside and have a word.'

Who is he talking about?

Memphis?! emoji2.png

I think he's the best example.

He is definitely one of many examples he could bring. Our own Josh McEachran is another, thought he was a made man too soon.

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I've never understood the footballers earn too much money argument. Football generates a ridiculous amount of money. Those who play the game professionally are responsible for that money. They get a cut out of the pot of money. We, the fans, are the ones making them so obscenely rich. We watch, we obsess.

Mata's right bout youngsters earning too much. That's a real problem. They're millionaires before they've even achieved anything. And that money will affect and change the great majority. It opens up a world most of us can only imagine. But I don't think that will be changing anyvtime soon though. Proper guidance, keeping a close eye on the players and strict rules concerning behaviour and presentation might help.

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43 minutes ago, DYC. said:

I've never understood the footballers earn too much money argument. Football generates a ridiculous amount of money. Those who play the game professionally are responsible for that money. They get a cut out of the pot of money. We, the fans, are the ones making them so obscenely rich. We watch, we obsess.

Mata's right bout youngsters earning too much. That's a real problem. They're millionaires before they've even achieved anything. And that money will affect and change the great majority. It opens up a world most of us can only imagine. But I don't think that will be changing anyvtime soon though. Proper guidance, keeping a close eye on the players and strict rules concerning behaviour and presentation might help.

You're right in terms of football making insane money and salaries being proportionate, but this is where something is fundamentally flawed in society. Entertainment industries are rewarded far too kindly, when in reality they bring nothing progressive to the world. Yes, entertainment is all good fun and necessary, but the gap between people doing real useful work for society and people who kick a ball about for our amusement is far too big. But this is how things work nowadays - the more appearances you make on telly in between commercials and the more people your status/brand attracts to watch those commercials, the more handsomely you are rewarded. Regular folk, who work their asses off and are having trouble making ends meet, are cast aside, because they don't generate any significant revenue to the fat cats, and are therefore insignificant. As I said, this system is fundamentally flawed like the world itself, but within the established multibillion entertainment and advertising industries the players' wages do make sense.

We just have to accept that there is no justice, equality or reward based on merit. Television clowns are more important than, say, scientists, architects, engineers, doctors, teachers, soldiers, police officers, firefighters, regular do-gooders who make the world a better place day-by-day etc.

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2 hours ago, manpe said:

You're right in terms of football making insane money and salaries being proportionate, but this is where something is fundamentally flawed in society. Entertainment industries are rewarded far too kindly, when in reality they bring nothing progressive to the world. Yes, entertainment is all good fun and necessary, but the gap between people doing real useful work for society and people who kick a ball about for our amusement is far too big. But this is how things work nowadays - the more appearances you make on telly in between commercials and the more people your status/brand attracts to watch those commercials, the more handsomely you are rewarded. Regular folk, who work their asses off and are having trouble making ends meet, are cast aside, because they don't generate any significant revenue to the fat cats, and are therefore insignificant. As I said, this system is fundamentally flawed like the world itself, but within the established multibillion entertainment and advertising industries the players' wages do make sense.

We just have to accept that there is no justice, equality or reward based on merit. Television clowns are more important than, say, scientists, architects, engineers, doctors, teachers, soldiers, police officers, firefighters, regular do-gooders who make the world a better place day-by-day etc.

And why has the TV deals struck football? Because of the amount of fans it attracted in the first place.

The people who pay Doctors and Nurses can't afford to pay them 200k a week, If however 40,000 fans started watching them in work weekly and started buying their merchandise, their wages would quickly shoot up to astramoinical levels aswell.

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7 minutes ago, Tomo said:

And why has the TV deals struck football? Because of the amount of fans it attracted in the first place.

The people who pay Doctors and Nurses can't afford to pay them 200k a week, If however 40,000 fans started watching them in work weekly and started buying their merchandise, their wages would quickly shoot up to astramoinical levels aswell.

Yes, exactly. Doctors would need to wear company logos on their smocks as well and have product placements in O.R, with 15 minute commercial breaks during operations. As I said, something is fundamentally wrong when such are our priorities and when advertising industry is one of the most powerful in the world. Don't think anybody can argue with that, unless you profess that telly clowns and jocks deserve what they earn while people with practical input in making the world go round are just an afterthought. It isn't just limited to football, all entertainment industry is blown out of proportion. It is more of an economic-philosophical discussion and points can be made against capitalism, you can agree with the ways things are set up, it is your right, but me and Mata don't agree (even though he is inside the system reaping rewards). Money, to some extent, is also destroying football. Salary caps should be introduced.

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6 hours ago, manpe said:

He is definitely one of many examples he could bring. Our own Josh McEachran is another, thought he was a made man too soon.

Josh was hyped up, but i can't remember seeing photos of him in nightclubs, fancy cars and so on. He always looked like the boy next door, imo.

Memphis on the other hand is definitely enjoying it too much:
his extravagant outfits have to do the talking for him, partying in Rotterdam -models everywhere, and you know that there must be something seriously wrong
when you can't decide whether to take the Rolls or the Hummer for your ride. Expensive and flashy, that's the main things.
It looks like that he doesn't give a fuck, proper 22 year old mercenary, Van Gaal can't control him, maybe Jose can, we'll see.

5 hours ago, manpe said:

 Television clowns are more important than, say, scientists, architects, engineers, doctors, teachers, soldiers, police officers, firefighters, regular do-gooders who make the world a better place day-by-day etc.


Not every footballer is on the big bucks, only the specialists, they do what most people simply can't.

If you're world class in your field, unique, and know how the game works, you'll most likely end up on the bright side of life (if you want money).
A friend of the family is a heart surgeon, yes, education took a long time, had to put in the hard work for quite some years,
but around 40 a hospital from the United Arab Emirates made him a huge offer..
health is the most important thing in this life and rich people pay, a few years and he can live like a king, where ever he goes with his family.
A doctor can work at least till his 60ties, so you can imagine the paydays.

Engineers, Silicon Valley,  nuff said.

A friend of my sister played in the Bundesliga, but only short-term, a knee injury prevented him from taking his fair share out of the honey pots.
So if you wanna play professional footie, fair play to you, but the risk is there, health has and always will be more important than money,
if you're not good enough for the first or second division in the top 5 leagues, shit hits the fan, friends start working as engineers, doctors, what do you have?!

Becoming a teacher at school is easier (no disrespect meant), but he can spend more time than those 'high potentials' with his family
Grandpa would do it, if he was offered the chance again, but life doesn't stop for anybody.

Appreciate what you have, it ain't that bad, let the others do what they want. (yes, typical on Insta, sorry :P).

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I'd love to see him again in Chelsea. A great man and footballer. Should've never been sold, but mou's things... He was one of the not many good things that AVB made for the club :D
But I don't think there is a big chance of coming back here, maybe he will go in Spain and I'm sure the team which buy him won't make a mistake.

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