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  1. haranr liked a post in a topic by J.F. in Fernando Torres   
    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/325787.html
    FUCK ME
  2. Mohammed Seif liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    Sadly, this conflict won't end soon. Both sides need to change approach towards peace. I will do my best as an Israeli citizen who recruits in less than two weeks to change the approach of many right-wing Israelis. I can't force but I can try and I have succeed in the past. An approach that will lead to a solution. I hope people at the other side are doing the same if possible.
  3. MrExcalibur100 liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    Israel does not kill for fun. Israel does not want to kill civilians. Unfortunately they do kill innocent civilians that stand in the way to stop 'terror' (I do not approve that but it happenes and Israel must defend itself). I will ask again. Can the 'international community' promise that if Israel acts right, there will be peace and quiet from the Palestines? I have studied that and there is no promising such a thing. I personally think Israel should follow back to what Rabin did but I understand the claim of many Israelis who say that it's a very naive move that can cause lots of trouble in the future. 'REAL TROUBLE' not like Hamas shooting a couple of 'shit' rockets from Gaza. This is not easy.
  4. Sir Mikel OBE liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    Yes. It's no worries for me though.. I want to join the army.
  5. CHOULO19 liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    I agree 100 percent.
    As you said, Of course there are no guarantees, but that is the most likely, if not the ONLY way peace can be achieved.
    Sadly, most Israelis need that 'guarantee' and you MUST admit they have a point. I support your claims 100 percent though.
    They can choose to say "We want peace, we do not want to fight, we want a country". The shit right-wing Israeli goverment will delay them from a state as long as they can but in the end they will have to give it to them. It's a better approach than resist with 'terror'.
  6. CHOULO19 liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    I agree 100 percent.
    As you said, Of course there are no guarantees, but that is the most likely, if not the ONLY way peace can be achieved.
    Sadly, most Israelis need that 'guarantee' and you MUST admit they have a point. I support your claims 100 percent though.
    They can choose to say "We want peace, we do not want to fight, we want a country". The shit right-wing Israeli goverment will delay them from a state as long as they can but in the end they will have to give it to them. It's a better approach than resist with 'terror'.
  7. haranr liked a post in a topic by Dion in Politics & Stuff   
    That's why Stingray said there must be a leap of faith. Nobody can assure Israel it will happen. What can be assured is if you continue "defending" yourself it won't stop until either side is completely destroyed. You guys could start using the money which will be saved from not spending in military actions to help reaching the goal of peace.
  8. haranr liked a post in a topic by CHOULO19 in Politics & Stuff   
    Of course there are no guarantees, but that is the most likely, if not the ONLY way peace can be achieved.
    To begin with, the attack nor the siege is or even can stop the rockets. This has already been proved. So it's not like you're risking losing anything with ending them.
    Better living conditions does not mean spending a lot of money. In fact, your state spends A LOT on making their lives miserable. You can make their lives a million times betetr by addressing these issues:
    They can be arrested whenever the army likes and for whatever reason or even without one. They can be detained indefinitely and without trail. When they are trialed, they are prosecuted using military law not the Israeli civilian laws. Forget trials and laws, in some mixed areas, Palestinians are even forced to take different roads!
    On the other hand, Israeli settlers get away with abusing and beating Palestinians on a regular basis. Every year, tens of Palestinians are assaulted, shot and even killed by Israeli settlers. They are treated worse than animals and no one does anything about it.
    And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The atrocities against Palestinians are countless. And they are only getting worse. Every year they are losing more land, losing more of what's left of their basic rights of living. You see, as much as I hate Zionism, I just have to respect the intelligence of how Zionists go about their business. Because you can't erase the people of a whole nation in a single war, and they know that. But over a hundred years you can slowly take their land, slowly decrease their numbers in the country, slowly take away their rights, slowly take away the support they get from the neighboring nations and the empathy they get from foreigners, very slowly dehumanize them with your propaganda until everyone, including yourself, don't believe they are equal humans anymores. And in another hundred years or two they would probably have succeeded in getting rid of all the Palestinians in the country and would most likely have set their target on further expanding their boundaries. From the Nile to the Euphrates, right?
    The people of Palestine have two choices and no third: To resist or to simply cease to exist. But, this is not a movie. Unfortunately, the resistance cannot be led by a perfect Platonic hero (or Kim Possible and genetically enhanced rats). It is, and has always been, led by people that far from perfect. But these incredibly corrupt people change and have changed many times, but what your government knows and tries to convince you otherwise, is that the resistance will continue long after Fateh and Hamas as long as there are Palestinians. Because the resistance is an idea and a choice of the people, not only that, it is their only choice.

    Again, there are no guarantees, but history shows that extremists rise as a result of extreme situations. In fact Hamas themselves are living proof of that. Go back and look into the past 66 years, especially the last 32 years, every single time Israel have launched a war to end a resistance, a stronger and more radical one has emerged from the ashes.
    Right now, you can talk about Hamas using civilians as shields all you want, but the fact is, the absolute majority of Gaza is behind Hamas and rooting for them. The power is not for Hamas, the power is always for the people. If Hamas does anything that is against the will of the people they will be rejected by the Palestinian society. A resistance has nothing if not the people.
    Human history teaches us that giving people freedom and a good life is the only way to possibly get rid of extremism. The instinct to live a happy life transcends any thoughts beliefs or ideologies. I cannot guarantee that will happen in Palestine, but I CAN guarantee that there will never be any hopes of peace with the continued violence. All you will get is even more extremism.
    I won't go into the one-state discussion further because, as I said, I do not believe it is possible in the foreseeable future. But I will say that the two-states only widens the gap and confirms the differences that are the origin of the conflict. It can never be a long-term solution.
  9. haranr liked a post in a topic by Stingray in Politics & Stuff   
    I think the first thing to realize now is that you are going to win every battle if you continue but lose the war. Like the former Sin Bet head says: only a leap of trust can get us out of this situation. This is not a leftie saying this, it is the former head of the secret service for years . But no more peace processes while having the settlers do the exact opposite like during the Oslo accords would be the first step imo. A dual State may have been an option, but im not sure it is now. I hope so though.
  10. Stingray liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    I completely agree. I do not support the Israel of now. I support the Israel of Rabin! Of Barak! My friend how can you forget the past??? I mean it's part of the conflict. You should not only put 100% focus on what's happening now. BTW, please answer my post that I posted 12 minutes ago. I really want to hear your opinion. Thanks.
  11. haranr liked a post in a topic by Stingray in Politics & Stuff   
    Yes, because now i am seeing an Israël that is much different from that i saw before the second intifada. I know there is no excuse for terrorism, but in the context of the palestinians ........ Only they are victims in the present.
    A democratic country that upholds values as you (Israël) do, should know better. It doesnt mean i do not challenge islamic extremisme,as well. But it does mean I challenge a country who claim to be better when they are committing crimes against humanity. Eg UN, Human rights watchers and many neutrals .... But hey, it is always met with comments like: you are biased, not neutral, antisemetic, .... Even towards Israeli left wing people , intellectuals who say the exact same thing I do.
    Why is that not objective .... Cause it feels a bit awkward?
  12. Stingray liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    I would like to ask both @CHOULO19 @Stingray a simple question. You guys seem to know a lot and I am completely serious. What in your opinion must Israel do? You have to take in consideration the safety of the state.
    Because from what I have studied it's very hard to point on a clear solution.
  13. haranr liked a post in a topic by Jason in Cesc Fàbregas   
    21st July. That's when the Spanish lads and Cahill (the sole England lad) will return..
  14. Mohammed Seif liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    Sadly, this conflict won't end soon. Both sides need to change approach towards peace. I will do my best as an Israeli citizen who recruits in less than two weeks to change the approach of many right-wing Israelis. I can't force but I can try and I have succeed in the past. An approach that will lead to a solution. I hope people at the other side are doing the same if possible.
  15. CFC_4EVER liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    Happens on the other side as well.
  16. haranr liked a post in a topic by EBH in Politics & Stuff   
    It is absolutely ridiculous to lay claim to land with the justification that it was promised to you by your God and that some people who happened to share religious beliefs with you (but nothing else in common) controlled the same promised land in excess of 2000 years ago. That essentially is the "deep historical unique claim". What a load of shit. It's not deep and it's certainly not unique. The most easy example being the various peoples that lived in Nueva Espana. They lost everything and were pretty comprehensively wiped out in ways that make the Holocaust/any other recent genocide pale in comparison. What would happen if some Mayan quack shows up in downtown Mexico City and asks for Mexico to return to Mayan hands, since Quetzalcoatl or whoever promised the land to the Mayans and they lived there not even 700 years ago? He'd be lol'd away.
  17. haranr liked a post in a topic by Muzchap in Politics & Stuff   
    It's a tough situation that continues to fester
    It's just so unfair on many Palestine people - Hamas are a militant faction - I bet most people just want to live their life.
    I have no problem with Israel taking action - just wish Hamas weren't such cowards - bunkering themselves with women and children as shields (if the news stories are to be believed)
    Sad times indeed
  18. haranr liked a post in a topic by Mohammed Seif in Politics & Stuff   
    Now that the game is over I can concentrate and answer you . I will try to be as short as possible. Now when a non Muslim throws a text at me an tells me explain this, one can only assume two motives:
    a) This person is trying to take a shot at Islam and portray it as a " bloody religion or violent one". In that case my response would be: go somewhere else and spread your hatred and you can stop reading at the end of this sentence.
    b ) Someone who wants to understand and hence I would say, I am delighted to explain and share my knowledge of my faith, Islam, with you. So keep reading
    But who am I to judge on what is in people's heart and what intentions they have? For the sake of transparency, I will use the Arabic texts, and the most spread English Translation of Yusuf Ali. Ofcourse feel free to seek any translation you are comfortable with.
    N.B. Quran is only in Arabic and the translations are attempts by the authors to explain the meaning of the verse in their own choice of words
    Before we go to the "suspicious" verse, we need to understand some principles and rules in Islam. Rules regarding fighting.
    Rule 1: Surat Al Baqarah, verse 190
    وَقَاتِلُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ الَّذِينَ يُقَاتِلُونَكُمْ وَلاَ تَعْتَدُواْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لاَ يُحِبُّ الْمُعْتَدِينَ
    190. Fight in the cause of God
    Those who fight you,
    But do not transgress limits;
    For God loveth not transgressors.
    So basically we fight in defense not attack. Attacking others is forbidden. This is the RULE OF ENGAGEMENT.
    Rule 2: Surat Al-Isra'a, verse 33:
    وَلاَ تَقْتُلُواْ النَّفْسَ الَّتِي حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ إِلاَّ بِالْحَقِّ وَمَن قُتِلَ مَظْلُومًا فَقَدْ جَعَلْنَا لِوَلِيِّهِ سُلْطَانًا فَلاَ يُسْرِف فِّي الْقَتْلِ إِنَّهُ كَانَ مَنْصُورًا
    33. Nor take life—which God
    Has made sacred—except
    For just cause. And if
    Anyone is slain wrongfully,
    We have given his heir
    Authority (to demand Qiṣāṣ
    Or to forgive): but let him
    Not exceed bounds in the matter
    Of taking life; for he
    Is helped (by the Law).
    We are not to take a life wrongfully ( i.e anyone who hasn't killed or is attempting to kill in a war, basically someone shooting at you not someone you think might shoot at you. It has to be immenent like I guy pointing a weapon at you and shooting), and if we do we then we can be either punished or forgiven depending on the family of the victim. The "eye for an eye, life for a life " applies here, as well as forgiveness. So there is a spectrum from death to total forgiveness. In between, that is left for society to decide. i,e. If a society decides that you pay money for the family, then be it. If it decides on execution, then be it. If they decide prison, or social work, again then be it. The point is there are the boundaries and people/society should determine what serves them well. This is put through human made law, such as life in prison.
    There was a serial killer known in the U.S. called Gary Ridgway who abducted and killed many women. During his sentence, as the U.S judiciary system allows, the family of the victims spoke. All of them wanted him dead for what he did for their sisters, mothers, daughters, wives and families. They wanted him dead for what he did. This is a very natural human feeling in such hurtful times. One of the victim's family was a Priest. He was the only man to say to him that he forgives him. He said that he found the strength of faith that makes him go up that level. Same in Islam, you have the right to seek fair justice, but you can also rise up and forgive, hence we believe we will be rewarded.
    Now about the payment, like I said, and example will be jail sentence. Another, that you will be familiar with is paying money as compensation, just like the Germans had to pay to the Jews due to the Holocaust. It is an agreed amount that the aggressor pays. In Egypt, if you kill someone wrongfully unintentionally, e.g, car accident, you can face prison or pay compensation or both depending on the circumstances of the accident.
    Ok, let us now go to the verse that you quoted its translation.
    Surat Al Tawba, verse 29:
    قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلاَ بِالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَلاَ يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلاَ يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُواْ الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ
    29. Fight those who believe not
    In God nor the Last Day,
    Nor hold that forbidden
    Which hath been forbidden
    By God and His Apostle,
    Nor acknowledge the Religion
    Of Truth, (even if they are)
    Of the People of the Book,
    Until they pay the Jizya
    With willing submission,
    And feel themselves subdued.
    Now let is apply this text to the rules. Should we fight Christians and Jews or any others? Yes, but if and ONLY IF we are defending ourselves from their attack as the rule of engagement says. Such is called in the modern life " National Defense/Security". Notice that the word used is "fight" not kill. i.e. a Muslim doesn't have to kill unless he is forced to like in warfare. So if the enemy/ aggressor surrenders/ gets injured/caught, then I don't have to kill him. If I do, then I have broken the second rule and that is taking a life wrongfully on purpose. This applies to a fight with anyone not just the Jews and Christians. It applies to aggressor Muslims too and everyone else.
    So you may ask yourself a question, and that is why mention the people of the book i.e. Jews and Christians. That is simply because part of our core faith is to believe in them and know that they follow the same God as ours. We consider Judaism and Christianity as cousin faiths to Muslim.( Ismael and Israel the sons of Ibrahim)
    Surat Al Baqarah, verse 285:
    آمَنَ الرَّسُولُ بِمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْهِ مِن رَّبِّهِ وَالْمُؤْمِنُونَ كُلٌّ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَمَلائِكَتِهِ وَكُتُبِهِ وَرُسُلِهِ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّن رُّسُلِهِ وَقَالُواْ سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا غُفْرَانَكَ رَبَّنَا وَإِلَيْكَ الْمَصِيرُ
    285. The Apostle believeth
    In what hath been revealed
    To him from his Lord,
    As do the men of faith.
    Each one (of them) believeth
    In God, His angels,
    His books, and His apostles.
    "We make no distinction (they say)
    Between one and another
    Of His apostles." And they say:
    "We hear, and we obey:
    (We seek) Thy forgiveness,
    Our Lord, and to Thee
    Is the end of all journeys."
    We have to believe in all and not differentiate between them as saying this Prophet is better than that. They are all equal messengers of God in our eyes. An insult to Jesus, Moses, Mohammed, Noah, David, Jacob, Suliman or any is the same. They are all equal to us in value as righteous men and messengers.
    Also we were told in the Quran, how to disagree and debate with people of different faiths and non believers in God
    Surat Al Nahl, verse 125
    ادْعُ إِلَى سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ وَجَادِلْهُم بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
    125. Invite (all) to the Way
    Of thy Lord with wisdom
    And beautiful preaching;
    And argue with them
    In ways that are best
    And most gracious:
    For thy Lord knoweth best,
    Who have strayed from His Path,
    And who receive guidance.
    If someone acts out side these BASIC concepts, then it is not Islam's fault. It is the Muslim who decided to ignore what Islam says. (Notice the difference between a faith and how people act. If you find a perfect human being please make sure to tell me.)
    Now, let me also clear out something. A human life is of vast importance to us. Any human life, atheist, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, Jew, Muslim and any other.
    Surat Al Ma'eda, verse 32:
    مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُم بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ فِي الأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفُونَ
    32. 35 On that account: We ordained
    For the Children of Israel
    That if any one slew
    A person—unless it be
    For murder or for spreading
    Mischief in the land—
    It would be as if
    He slew the whole people:
    And if any one saved a life,
    It would be as if he saved
    The life of the whole people.
    Then although there came
    To them Our Apostles
    With Clear Signs, yet,
    Even after that, many
    Of them continued to commit
    Excesses in the land.
    Killing an innocent human life, not a Muslim, not a Jew, not a Christian, A HUMAN LIFE, is like murdering the entire humanity.
    Well now that I have clarified, the importance of a human life and the rules of engagement and its consequences, let us together see who uses this text that you asked about.
    1) A Muslim, who uses it to take advantage of others' lack of knowledge and circumstance, in order to fulfill some sort of an agenda, usually political.
    2) An Islamophobe or anti-Muslim, who wants to use texts in the Quran to portray Islam as a religion of violence and blood, again for a specific agenda.
    3) A Muslim who wants to impress others by claiming his knowledge of some versus of the Quran.
    4) Someone who seeks knowledge regardless of being a Muslim or a non-Muslim.
    The first and the second are two faces of the same coin. They feed off of each others hate in order to fulfill an agenda.
    The third is very dangerous, as he has the potential to pass false information to others who lack knowledge and misguide them.
    The fourth is someone who I respect. He doesn't have to follow the faith by all means, but he wishes to understand so that people can break more barriers and learn to live together better and progress as a human race.A friend recently told me " A mind left poor, is a life not lived. "
    Mind you, I am not a Sheikh or Imam. But this is really basic knowledge I get as others do from reading the Quran with the attempt to understand the words I am reading and how they relate to each other. In the Quran, we are encouraged to always think and question things. That is how you seek knowledge and understand.
    So to sum it up:
    a) Fight back anyone who attacks you including Christians and Jews. ( National Defense)
    b ) Don't wrongfully but purposely take a life. ( Kill someone who did nothing to you, e.g, civilians or suspects....etc)
    c) The aggressor can pay Jizyah ; money ( like in the the case of Germany and Israel), prison sentencing/execution/social work depending on society and its' rules
    d) the aggressor can be forgiven if the family of the victim says so.
    e)In case of execution, only the criminal will be executed, not his son, friend or any other family member. Anyone not involved should not be harmed.
    f) Muslims who know their religion value human lives regardless of faith and beliefs and should not engage in any aggression by words or actions. Should always seek knowledge and debate with reason in a pleasant why. ( I ain't a perfect one unfortunately but I have my moments )
    So if any Muslim throws a " war verse at you", now you can tell him to go read his book again as he knows nothing. If any Islamophobe wants to have a go at Islam by using random texts, then again, he hasn't read the Quran with a purpose to understand, therefore he will misquote/ misinterpret/ or take out of context and that is sooooooooooo easy to take on.
    Hope that helped buddy, or shall I call you cousin ? Please feel free to ask other Muslims who studied their religion well and know good Arabic.
  19. Fulham Broadway liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    Correct.
  20. Muzchap liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    Israel SHOULD raid Hamas from the ground and set-up a new system in Gaza for the sake of most innocent Palestines AND South Israel's population. At the same time, they should continue 'peace talks' and try to promote a solution.
    Israel are the ones with the 'power' therefore they should act as the 'mature' figure and help out the majority of Palestines who are NOT radical.
  21. Fulham Broadway liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    Correct.
  22. Fulham Broadway liked a post in a topic by haranr in Politics & Stuff   
    Correct.
  23. haranr liked a post in a topic by yuvala in Romelu Lukaku   
    He thrives when there are open spaces. He's not very useful when the other team parks the bus.
  24. haranr liked a post in a topic by yuvala in Politics & Stuff   
    Who will beg us to stop? Hamas will never do that, they dont care about the civillians.
    Israel's image would be damaged, we would kill many innocent people..
    Maybe this will lower the amount of rockets being fired but some time later they'll be back with even more support and more extremists.
    It's a very limited and short-termed "solution".
  25. haranr liked a post in a topic by Mohammed Seif in Politics & Stuff   
    LOL. If you can't really differentiate between them, then God help you cause all three are different. Not to mention that jihad is not even a group