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Everything posted by Spike

  1. Politics & Stuff

    Do you like Politcs? Yes? No? Could care less? Well in this grande topic we discuss politics. Here is a test for those curious. http://www.politicalcompass.org/test Don't take the test too seriously, and post your results if you want to. My results lean heavily towards Liberty and Communism/Socialism. The stupid image extension isn't allowed on Talk Chelsea. Keep things civil people.
  2. Next Manager?

    In case anyone why I haven't been posting a lot lately it's because I've been preparing body and mind for this job. Toroo lads, this is an inside scoop.
  3. 3. Marcos Alonso

    An alumni of Real Madrid's outstanding youth academy and Chelsea's newest mam; Marcos Alonso. He only made one appearance for Real before buggering off to Bolton Wanderers. He stepped up and made thirty-five league appearances over three seasons before leaving for Fiorentina. No stranger to England, he was loaned out to Sunderland and made a further sixteen appearance in the Premier League. Welcome to the new fellow; hopefully he gives a better show than the last Fiorentina transfer.
  4. Barcelona 3-0 Chelsea

  5. Barcelona 3-0 Chelsea

    Barcelona caca.
  6. 9. Álvaro Morata

    I think you forgot just how bad it was with Torres...
  7. 9. Álvaro Morata

    Torres had years of support from the fans but people can barely afford a single season for Morata.
  8. 34. Ola Aina

    Young English defender. His name is murmured in the tabloids lately.
  9. Mesut Özil

    Ahhh, Ozil. The bloke that every calls 'lazy' despite running 10km+ a game. Not lazy, but bloody invisible, there is a reason people think he is 'lazy', it's because despite all his running he doesn't involve himself.
  10. Chelsea 5-0 Stoke

    What a silly question; don't you know?
  11. Antoine Griezmann

    AN ACTUAL PROPER WINGER. He has spent his entire career in Spain because for some reason those who work at the Clairefotaines in France hate white people or something (ask SeB). I don't know much about him but by the looks of things he actually stays out wide and hugs the touchline. It's like twenty years ago when wingers actually played on the wings. His crossing, pace and dribbling look classy. He is banned from playing for France because he went to a night club the night before training... Thoughts?
  12. Antoine Griezmann

    My first post was essentially my gut reaction - to play the devil's advocate, upon reflecting I changed my thoughts on many of the points. You must also consider the following: footballers have weird lives. They don't go to 'normal school' like us; I've read journals concerning life in places like Castilla and Masia that classes are essentially 'for show' and they receive no 'real education'. There were implications that many of the students were barely literate and some (the implication of Dani Carvajal) were completely illiterate dunces. You can't forget some people don't have that many smarts about them, the stereotype of the dumb jock is true and in the case of European football it is exaggerated. Many have underdeveloped social skills as a consequence of having limited life experience out of playing the sport. None of this is a justification or even applies to Griezmann but it could be a contributing factor. That is why I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt in some cases. I don't really know much about Griezmann, but given the evidence of him being very close with several black French footballers and the blackface incident but my conclusion was that he thought it was okay because maybe some of his black friends thought it was funny. That isn't an excuse just my rationalisation of the incident. The only reason I went on a tanget about Chicago is because you brought them up and I know quite a bit about their history and founding. I can see why people would find their imagery distasteful, but I can also see why people would be fond of it
  13. Antoine Griezmann

    No, there is still confusion. My post is not about 'using a terrible part of human history to explain away why demeaning and demonizing someone is not a reason to be outraged.'. It is the complete opposite. I used contrasting propaganda from the 40s to illustrate that forever people have used caricatures to dehumanise people and that blackface is no different and that is why it is offensive. I think I clearly pointed out that it is a bad thing and that it is reason to be outraged.
  14. Antoine Griezmann

    I rescind that bold remark. I thought that obvious with my following posts. What are you talking about? I think people should be outraged, you fool! I explained why people don't like being dehumanised, I explained that throughout history people have been dehumanised and this is no different! I am not doing that at all, you are extrapolating my statements into sheer exaggerations. I have merely explained that the Blackhawks aren't seen in the same light as other teams, how in high-water does that statement lend itself to 'explaining away injustices'? I am not 'ignoring' them! I am just not talking about what I know nothing about, I only know the Blackhawks so I can only speak of them, I am not saying what the Blackhawks do justifies it either. First you mock 'vast knowledge' then you expect me to know everything! Make your mind. I think you vastly misunderstood my points.
  15. Antoine Griezmann

    @Chelsea Legend 11 If you will; here is an article written published by the NBC concerning the Blackhawk's name and imagery. https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/madhouse-enforcer/Blackhawks-Making-Effort-to-Engage-Chicagoland-Native-Americans-228360071.html#ixzz3SEGTm0zY Albeit one man, the Blackhawk's aren't seen in the same light as the Washington Redskins, Cleveland Indians, and Atlanta Braves. As I said earlier sometimes on the surface appearances are the same but when something is further researched it does look different. You are always welcome to have disdain for the Hawks' that is your own prerogative but being a Chicagolander and Blackhawks fan, I thought I'd give a little info on what the name means and where it comes from. Also you don't enlighten people by telling them to 'STFU', silencing dialogue brings about nothing but reinforcing ideals. People need to be challenged, not silenced!
  16. Antoine Griezmann

    I forgot what this site was like, I've been gone so long. It's been a while since I essentially agreed with someone but they just tell me to shut up and tell me why I'm wrong. I remember now, why I don't post often anymore.
  17. Antoine Griezmann

    Why? Because I think people in power like to belittle those they see as different or the enemy? My point was the people use caricature all the time to dehumanise people, the exact point you are making. So why, do you tell me to shut up? I didn't state that I have a 'vast knowledge of blackface'; just stating a few instance of what I've observed, I've neither denied that it there weren't offensive uses of blackface either (in fact I openly state the opposite). I didn't state that people are too sensitive. Your arguing points that i haven't even made, in fact you are putting words that have been said by others in my mouth. I was playing devil's advocate as previously mentioned and I like to know why people think the way they do. The Chicago Blackhawks were named after a military unit that in turn was named after the Sauk people of the midwest plains - the latter done so in admiration of Chief Black Hawk's bravery and fighting spirit during the Black Hawk War . The Chicago Blackhawks work closely with the Native American population in Illinois and have many programs dedicated to helping them in a range of things from peewee hockey and education.
  18. Antoine Griezmann

    Another interesting thing to think about is: why is it offensive? I don't think the imagery itself, nor the over-the-top caricatures are inherently racist. I think the root of the offence is the lack of power and decision, black people didn't choose to be portrayed in that manner, they had no influence to be portrayed in any other manner, nor were they. If we existed in an alternate reality were the blackface imagery was created by a black person themself the overall perception of it would be completely different. In media there are often goofy depictions of white people but they are accepted because more often than not they are created by white people. Besides, creating caricatures have been an effective tool for creating an us vs them mentality for hundreds of years. We see it all the time today, in political cartoons (the opposing party often drawn as fools), propaganda, marketing, etc. The British would draw French soldiers and Napoleon himself as goofy looking midgets during the Napoleonic wars, the Americans drew the Japanese as buck-toothed squinty eyed kamikaze pilots during WW2, and the reverse is true as well. Compare these two images from WW2. Despite not looking too different at all, the posters portray a Chinese and Tawainese man favourably while making the Japanese... less so. It can be very dehumanising.
  19. Antoine Griezmann

    That is a false equivalency. A ninety minute film made in a time near racial equality isn't the same as decades of lampooning second-class citizens.Something can be often on a superficial glance be the same thing; but when the two (in this case whiteface and blackface) are deconstructed and examined thoroughly there are discernible differences between the two. It is simple to say that using anyone's race as a prop in comedy or any sort of media is or can be offensive. That isn't the argument, however only one has, by association decades of societal and cultural racism attached. This is guilt via association, in a vacuum there is 100% nothing wrong with what Griezmann has done but the incident doesn't exist within a vacuum; it exists in reality and in this reality conclusions can be drawn from what Griezmann has done via association. There is also concern that normalisation or removal of taboos can in course bring a return to everyday racial imagery. If you will, there is also a difference between making a Jew joke and a Jewish joke concerning Nazis. On the superficial level they are the same, but with further association one can take the latter far more offensive given the Holocaust. Personally, I'm not offended, nor do I particularly care. I'm for free speech, he can do whatever he pleases, but he must also accept the consequences living in a media spotlight as an internationally famous athlete. I make racey, on the nose, over the edge jokes all the time; in my personal life where I know people can't misconstrue my words and actions. If he didn't post this on social media, there would be no problem; his black friends may have thought it was a cool costume, they would have had fun and moved on.
  20. Antoine Griezmann

    If any white person felt uncomfortable by the film 'White Chicks' then that is exactly what Skippers means by 'my skin isn't an accessory'. Terrible film but it makes an important point 'we aren't saying white-face is okay but if you're offended by it now you understand how it feels'. Not that I care either way about this incident, I just like knowing what people think.
  21. Antoine Griezmann

    Why is it wrong? Historically the only objectively racist thing about blackface isn't the portrayal of culture and stereotypes but the refusal of hiring black performers to fill those roles. If you go back and watch old cartoons you'll find that most of the blackface characters are actually quite endearing or the 'hero'. It was a bizarre admiration of black culture and arts (why were black even portrayed at all, you could ask). I recall watching an old Felix cartoon that portrayed the very stereotypical black man as the hero along with Felix and the white man as the evil oppressor that hated fun. I recall another instance from the British comedy show 'The Goodies', I remember clearly Graeme dresses as 'black boxer' in an attempt to beat up Bill's Lancaster martial art. I thought it was hilarious not because it lampooned black people but because of the out right absurdity of it all. It is a completely blown out of proportion sensitivity that is a complete non-issue. The fact that people even bring this up is pathetic. Oh wow, Antoine Griezmann is fond of some of the greatest and most important black American athletes of all time and wants to dress up as them - emulate them, but oh it resembles something that happened 80 years ago... I can understand the distaste for the exaggerated lips, the blackskin, the nappy hair, I believe everyone dislikes their features represented in such an exaggerated manner, but I don't believe Griezmann's costume has only of those features, correct? Now we have to ask what exactly is 'wrong' with Griezmann's costume? Is it wrong in the context of itself, or is it wrong because it reminds people something distasteful? But that is just an American view-point of blackface; nobody wants all their representation in the media to be done in mimicry or farce. Does France or Spain have a history of issues with blackface? I also thought it was a common celebration at Christmas in the Netherlands for the character Zwart Piet? English theatre also has a history of blackface as one of the greatest characters in English literature is portrayed in blackface (a Moorface rather): Othello.
  22. Thomas Lemar

    Dybala, Mbappe, and Asensio were all once players that were yet to become who are they are now... Patience.
  23. Virgil Van Dijk

    Yeah, then they'll sell those players next season for 5* the price. Best scouts in England.
  24. Davinson Sanchez

    Not every player can be world-class though.