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About Spike

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  • Birthday February 24

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  • Bio Naught to see here. Move along.
  • Gender Male
  • Location 'Murika
  • Favourite Chelsea Player Cesc Fabregas
  • Fan Since Not Telling
  • Memory Joe Cole's solo goal against ManUtd. The reason I support the Blues today.

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  1. Barcelona 3-0 Chelsea

  2. Barcelona 3-0 Chelsea

    Barcelona caca.
  3. 9. Álvaro Morata

    I think you forgot just how bad it was with Torres...
  4. 9. Álvaro Morata

    Torres had years of support from the fans but people can barely afford a single season for Morata.
  5. Mesut Özil

    Ahhh, Ozil. The bloke that every calls 'lazy' despite running 10km+ a game. Not lazy, but bloody invisible, there is a reason people think he is 'lazy', it's because despite all his running he doesn't involve himself.
  6. Chelsea 5-0 Stoke

    What a silly question; don't you know?
  7. Antoine Griezmann

    My first post was essentially my gut reaction - to play the devil's advocate, upon reflecting I changed my thoughts on many of the points. You must also consider the following: footballers have weird lives. They don't go to 'normal school' like us; I've read journals concerning life in places like Castilla and Masia that classes are essentially 'for show' and they receive no 'real education'. There were implications that many of the students were barely literate and some (the implication of Dani Carvajal) were completely illiterate dunces. You can't forget some people don't have that many smarts about them, the stereotype of the dumb jock is true and in the case of European football it is exaggerated. Many have underdeveloped social skills as a consequence of having limited life experience out of playing the sport. None of this is a justification or even applies to Griezmann but it could be a contributing factor. That is why I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt in some cases. I don't really know much about Griezmann, but given the evidence of him being very close with several black French footballers and the blackface incident but my conclusion was that he thought it was okay because maybe some of his black friends thought it was funny. That isn't an excuse just my rationalisation of the incident. The only reason I went on a tanget about Chicago is because you brought them up and I know quite a bit about their history and founding. I can see why people would find their imagery distasteful, but I can also see why people would be fond of it
  8. Antoine Griezmann

    No, there is still confusion. My post is not about 'using a terrible part of human history to explain away why demeaning and demonizing someone is not a reason to be outraged.'. It is the complete opposite. I used contrasting propaganda from the 40s to illustrate that forever people have used caricatures to dehumanise people and that blackface is no different and that is why it is offensive. I think I clearly pointed out that it is a bad thing and that it is reason to be outraged.
  9. Antoine Griezmann

    I rescind that bold remark. I thought that obvious with my following posts. What are you talking about? I think people should be outraged, you fool! I explained why people don't like being dehumanised, I explained that throughout history people have been dehumanised and this is no different! I am not doing that at all, you are extrapolating my statements into sheer exaggerations. I have merely explained that the Blackhawks aren't seen in the same light as other teams, how in high-water does that statement lend itself to 'explaining away injustices'? I am not 'ignoring' them! I am just not talking about what I know nothing about, I only know the Blackhawks so I can only speak of them, I am not saying what the Blackhawks do justifies it either. First you mock 'vast knowledge' then you expect me to know everything! Make your mind. I think you vastly misunderstood my points.
  10. Antoine Griezmann

    @Chelsea Legend 11 If you will; here is an article written published by the NBC concerning the Blackhawk's name and imagery. https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/madhouse-enforcer/Blackhawks-Making-Effort-to-Engage-Chicagoland-Native-Americans-228360071.html#ixzz3SEGTm0zY Albeit one man, the Blackhawk's aren't seen in the same light as the Washington Redskins, Cleveland Indians, and Atlanta Braves. As I said earlier sometimes on the surface appearances are the same but when something is further researched it does look different. You are always welcome to have disdain for the Hawks' that is your own prerogative but being a Chicagolander and Blackhawks fan, I thought I'd give a little info on what the name means and where it comes from. Also you don't enlighten people by telling them to 'STFU', silencing dialogue brings about nothing but reinforcing ideals. People need to be challenged, not silenced!
  11. Antoine Griezmann

    I forgot what this site was like, I've been gone so long. It's been a while since I essentially agreed with someone but they just tell me to shut up and tell me why I'm wrong. I remember now, why I don't post often anymore.
  12. Antoine Griezmann

    Why? Because I think people in power like to belittle those they see as different or the enemy? My point was the people use caricature all the time to dehumanise people, the exact point you are making. So why, do you tell me to shut up? I didn't state that I have a 'vast knowledge of blackface'; just stating a few instance of what I've observed, I've neither denied that it there weren't offensive uses of blackface either (in fact I openly state the opposite). I didn't state that people are too sensitive. Your arguing points that i haven't even made, in fact you are putting words that have been said by others in my mouth. I was playing devil's advocate as previously mentioned and I like to know why people think the way they do. The Chicago Blackhawks were named after a military unit that in turn was named after the Sauk people of the midwest plains - the latter done so in admiration of Chief Black Hawk's bravery and fighting spirit during the Black Hawk War . The Chicago Blackhawks work closely with the Native American population in Illinois and have many programs dedicated to helping them in a range of things from peewee hockey and education.
  13. Antoine Griezmann

    Another interesting thing to think about is: why is it offensive? I don't think the imagery itself, nor the over-the-top caricatures are inherently racist. I think the root of the offence is the lack of power and decision, black people didn't choose to be portrayed in that manner, they had no influence to be portrayed in any other manner, nor were they. If we existed in an alternate reality were the blackface imagery was created by a black person themself the overall perception of it would be completely different. In media there are often goofy depictions of white people but they are accepted because more often than not they are created by white people. Besides, creating caricatures have been an effective tool for creating an us vs them mentality for hundreds of years. We see it all the time today, in political cartoons (the opposing party often drawn as fools), propaganda, marketing, etc. The British would draw French soldiers and Napoleon himself as goofy looking midgets during the Napoleonic wars, the Americans drew the Japanese as buck-toothed squinty eyed kamikaze pilots during WW2, and the reverse is true as well. Compare these two images from WW2. Despite not looking too different at all, the posters portray a Chinese and Tawainese man favourably while making the Japanese... less so. It can be very dehumanising.
  14. Antoine Griezmann

    That is a false equivalency. A ninety minute film made in a time near racial equality isn't the same as decades of lampooning second-class citizens.Something can be often on a superficial glance be the same thing; but when the two (in this case whiteface and blackface) are deconstructed and examined thoroughly there are discernible differences between the two. It is simple to say that using anyone's race as a prop in comedy or any sort of media is or can be offensive. That isn't the argument, however only one has, by association decades of societal and cultural racism attached. This is guilt via association, in a vacuum there is 100% nothing wrong with what Griezmann has done but the incident doesn't exist within a vacuum; it exists in reality and in this reality conclusions can be drawn from what Griezmann has done via association. There is also concern that normalisation or removal of taboos can in course bring a return to everyday racial imagery. If you will, there is also a difference between making a Jew joke and a Jewish joke concerning Nazis. On the superficial level they are the same, but with further association one can take the latter far more offensive given the Holocaust. Personally, I'm not offended, nor do I particularly care. I'm for free speech, he can do whatever he pleases, but he must also accept the consequences living in a media spotlight as an internationally famous athlete. I make racey, on the nose, over the edge jokes all the time; in my personal life where I know people can't misconstrue my words and actions. If he didn't post this on social media, there would be no problem; his black friends may have thought it was a cool costume, they would have had fun and moved on.
  15. Antoine Griezmann

    If any white person felt uncomfortable by the film 'White Chicks' then that is exactly what Skippers means by 'my skin isn't an accessory'. Terrible film but it makes an important point 'we aren't saying white-face is okay but if you're offended by it now you understand how it feels'. Not that I care either way about this incident, I just like knowing what people think.