Welcome to Talk Chelsea

Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to contribute to this site by submitting your own content or replying to existing content. You'll be able to customize your profile, receive reputation points as a reward for submitting content, while also communicating with other members via your own private inbox, plus much more! This message will be removed once you have signed in.


  • Content count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Country

    United States

1 Follower

About Joker10

  • Rank
    Squad Member

Profile Information

  • Gender Male
  • Fan Since 2000
  1. Oscar

    I see where you are coming from and i agree with what you wrote. But there are differences and why their career will go in different directions. Pre Chelsea career are very similar no doubt. But here are the differences: A) Oscar has shined much brighter then Mikel- Look i like Mikel a lot, he is a solid player and has done a lot of good things for this club. But in no way did he ever looked as good as Oscar has at some point in his Chelsea career. At best he has looked like a solid role player. Numerous times during his Chelsea career Oscar has looked as one of our best player, in no time Mikel has reached that level. Inconsitency- Oscar biggest problem has been lack of consistency, but one thing with Mikel we can always expect is consistency. There is where i see major differences, Mikel been very consistent through out his career few can deny that, but so far with Oscar is how he tails off in the second part of the season. I don't think anyone few would be unhappy with Oscar or would question his place if he played like he did in the first half of the season. C) Personality/Attitudes- It may sound cliche and some thing you just can't describe with words, but i feel Mikel lacks that killer instinct and the it factor to reach the top. Everything through out his career has made me reach the same conclusion, he is a very good and solid player but nothing more then that. From allowing Mou to convert him to a dm, watching his manors on the pitch, and staying at Chelsea for a role player instead of going to another club for a much bigger role. Has made me reach the conclusion that he has allowed his career to stagnate and settled for an okay career. Oscar is too much of a fierce competitor to settle for such a career.Oscar is a special player, and has that it factor to be one of the best. It takes a special player to handle the famous Brazil #10 shirt like he did. His performance against Argentina was quite special; his first start, first goal, and against your arch nemises. Personally it tells me a lot how you handle pressure and the heart you show, he has done that through out his career. His debut against Juve for Chelsea. He masked Pirlo through out the match, was able to score two goals and one very special one. That is a debut most wish to have. I think people fail to realize how well he adjusted to the league. Consider that he was one year away from one full season in Brazil top flight. He met reasonable expectation very well. Oscar is too different from Mikel from attitude perspective to have a similar career as Mikel. As for those saying Oscar>Hazard? meh you will always find people who just give a contrarian point of view, without any underlying reason behind their view. He has had much better games then the Juve one btw. The study of Psychology explains this, Humans are quite effected by a first impression. Oscar performance blew us away for a debut game, so generally that experience will leave a much bigger mark in our memory. I strongly disagree with you one point though. When you said his ship has sailed to become one of the best 10 in the world. If he keeps his first half play for a full season then by most he would be one of the best 10 in the world. If you disagree that is fine and lets leave it at that. I only responded out of respect for your reply. However gets Oscar in the summer is going to get a bargain, i promise you that.
  2. Mikel John Obi

    De Jong is not that old, he is only 2.5 older then Mikel. De Jong is actually the only quality midfielder in Milan, Mikel wouldn't have any problem starting along side him though. I think it depends on Mikel, i think he leaves only if he asks for a transfer. Quite frankly Mou would be quite happy to keep him as a squad player.
  3. Oscar

    I actually appreciate your replay Lets be honest Chelsea hardly sign players that they don't think they have world class potential or at one point was at that level. This similarity can be applied to almost any player. This is the biggest difference between the two. Torres was at his best was average and servicable but nothing more then that. Oscar has shown flashes of his potential and one point and another has proven to be one of our best player. Last season early form and this season early form. You could never say that about Torres at any point in his Chelsea career. But here is where age comes into play. The amount of patience given to Torres was undeserved he was in his prime age and like i said he never showed he could lead the line any point either. You expect Torres to prove his worth immediately since he is not future prospect, he was signed for a record 50m to bring in immediate impact. You should be more patient with a 21year old coming to new league, hell its not like Oscar was even well established in Brazil either. It is not like Oscar came to Chelsea like Hazard, where Hazard was Franch League player of the year. Oscar was a breakout player in Brazil, before his transfer he had one full season in Brazil top flight. If you believe he would be overnight world class player like Hazard, then its your fault for thinking that and being so impatient. Bold part: You might look at them as excuses but that is your problem. You should probably see them as a way to understand and analyze why a player struggles. It is way to feaking easy just to crticize a player and say they are shit. Hell that takes no intelligence, it is waste of the brain you have been given. Whenever those so called "excuses" are presented i always think about them deeply and see if they are valid. And now i really mean it i will avoid every Oscar discussion.
  4. Oscar

    Uncanny should be a word i should have avoided tbh, but i still find more similarity with Sturridge in this regard. Both Oscar and Sturridge absloutely have shown world class potential and in strings of games in their time at Chelsea. In AVB spell until Jan Sturridge was upt here with Mata and Ramires as our best player. But it tend to happen, when our form dropped Sturridge became the scapegoat. In the same regard Oscar has become the scapegoat for our second half. He is not the only one struggling in the second half so is Cesc, Matic, and Costa. He is struggling the most of the bunch since Jan.But atm he is the def of scapegoat atm. The comparison for Oscar and Sturridge is not perfect and like you said Sturridge was given limited time and didn't play his perfered postion. But just like Sturridge, he will prove his doubters wrong and just like him it is probably going to be somewhere else. The Torres comparison makes no sense. Torres wasen't inconsistent, the problem was he was just not good enoguh at any point in his Chelsea career. Mikel comparison? I never saw Mikel as someone with world class potential like i did with Sturridge and i do with Oscar, or did he get misteaken for our best player. I always saw Mikel as solid, and defended him many times because most of the time because i thoght he was our best option in the team before Matic arrival. So i can't say Anyway we shell see what happen in the summer and beyond. I am going to dissociate myself from all Oscar discussion until the summer.
  5. Oscar

    How is it similar to the Torres thread? i really want to hear how you connect the dots. I say the smilairty is uncanny between this thread and the Sturridge thread.
  6. The Mourinho Thread

    Writing that post has made me reminisce about the AVB years and the manager. I was firmly behind his sacking at the time, and i probably wouldn't change a thing since we did win the CL under RDM. But now i realize my view of him was kinda unfair, and can appreciate of what a difficult assignment he had and the sitution he was in. He was in a wrong place and in a unwinable situation.
  7. The Mourinho Thread

    You are right that Porto side would not do well in this hypothetical league against the best competitions, but that does not take away anything from their CL victory or make them inferior to any of those teams. Again it only proves that Porto is not the best team based on the league criteria, but they def proved they are the best team in the playoff criteria. 7-5-3-1 games it doesn't matter in American sports, the best team is determined after playing the best of the best. The NFL playoff are decided by one game. No one ever remembers who had the best record in the regular season. I obviously bring up the American sports format not because i think it is superior, i just to show you my belief. And that is that the "best team" is subjective, it is all relative based on what criteria you use. You can only conclude that the team that won the league, was the best team based on that criteira and same goes for the CL. No format is superior to one another. I am glad we agree that the CL is bigger then league. Net spending is not a good formula, because it gets very complicated if we go down that road. 1. You have to go back more then the past 2 seasons before Mou got here, since the players he sold did not grow out of tree. Also Mou had no decision in those players being purchased since he was at Madrid. How should he get credited for their sales, since he never purchased them? Just like he can't be blamed for their purchase. 2. Players have resale value. Mou brought in a lot of established players. say hypothetically in 3 years a new managers comes in and does not rate Cesc, Matic, Costa, and Willian. He wants to bring in his own players to fit his system, just like Mou sold players he did not rate. It wouldn't be fair to use net spending for that manager, since it is not his fault the previous manager(Mou) bought in a lot of established players with little resale value. Because those players i mentioned would have little resale value. I don't see the logic of using resale value just because Mou landed on a goldmine, he sold a lot of young players who did have a very high resale value. I can think of many other reasons why it would be quite falty to use net spending, but i am getting a headache just thinking about all the implications. Lets use the amount of money Mou has spent. Those two years of mess as how you look at it. In those two years before Mou took over Chelsea made a change in their transfer policy, we brought in a lot of young players keeping in mind the future of the club. Those two years of mess laid the foundation for this team btw. The situation Mou inherited and the situation we were in after Carlo sacking is completely different. It is not fair to only look at the results before Mou but also look at the big pictuare, those two years before him was a huge and much needed rebuilding process. In two years we had an old and aging squad, and turned it around filled it with a lot of young and talented squad. I just refuse to belive this premise that Mou inhertied some shit team and lacks financial resources. It maybe my blue tinted glasses but i firmly believe that Chelsea is the best managerial job in England. That is what Mou inherited tbh.
  8. La Liga Thread

    Isco should start ahead of Bale, James is amazing and he was very much missed due to injury and Madrid record proves that with his absence.
  9. Oscar

    I can see that. To a point it is quite understanble, but it is no excuse to be completely blinded to the mans obvious faults. I love Mou as much as the next Chelsea fan and i mean that, and i truely can not fathom any Chelsea fan who doesn't feel a special affection toward Jose. I mean what could be more said of his accomplishments for Chelsea? Some might be put off by his personality, for me it makes him even more endearing. But i would be a fool not to see his faults or be completely ignorant to them. I tend to try to understand his faults and accept it. I don't personally believe my post was anyway anti-mou. I mean SAF had players that he couldn't take advantage off them and so did Pep and any other manager you went to mention. This is some people problem, i don't believe in any way i said it is Mou fault. I do not see it as his fault or Oscar fault, some things do not work out. When did Mata suddenly became just a #10. He played most of his Valencia career on the LW, First year under AVB he was playing on the LW, and under RDM he played on the RW while Oscar played in the middle. I would argue with anyone he played as good of football as he ever did when he was playing on the RW under RDM untill the infamous Clattenburg incident. I am sure you quite aware of KDB and his talents, are we going to pretend like he isn't capable of playing on the RW? I know i have seen him start out wide many times for Bremen, Wolfsburg, and Belgium. I know i couldn't tell the difference in performance from wherever position he played. Do i have to mention other players that have done well under other managers while underperforming under Mou? It isn't necessary but i will drop their names; Benzema and Angel Di Maria.
  10. Oscar

    Reading some people posts can be so nauseating. Just because one thinks Oscar can do better under another manager and in another situation, doesn't mean no attacking player can progress under Mou or impress. Some attacking players have impresed under Mou and plenty players have had an adverse effect while working under him. It would be foolish to only remember the players that have excelled under Mou like Hazard and forget the players that have regreted their time under him. I can name plenty of players that have been underwhelming under Mou, but better under different managers. Don't have to look further then Mata and KDB, how did they do under Mou? We know how good Mata was, he was 2X Chelsea POTY, and KDB is arguably Bundesliga POTY right now. Lets stop putting Mou in some crazy unbearable pedestal. I respect Mou and all of his achomplishments, but i would be a fool to think he is perfect manager or a great manager in every situation. He certainly has his faults. Some of you are soundling like Liverpool fans when Kenny Dalglish was in charge of their club, completely unbearable. Maybe you should read his posts again, nothing delusional about it. Lets look at it together in fact. Deco comments- Deco is one of the finest midfielders of his generation, i would not dismiss his comments easily. I would certainly listen to a player who has played the same position at the highest level and with his accolades. Oscar manager slags him off- That is true. If there is one thing i don't like about Mou on a personal level is how he slags off his players and always blames others when things get tough. I remember in his first spell how Mou threw Ballack and Sheva under the bus when he was going through his toughest moments at Chelsea. What does he do at Madrid? Pretty much the same, i would say more players in that locker room hated him more then they liked him. Oh can't forget how he blamed the refs or yelled controversy at every chance. Lastly Oscar can do better under another manager? There is certainly a lot of evidence.
  11. Eden Hazard

    Robinho was a fun prospect like Pato for example, but never regarded once in a generation prospect like Neymar. "Next Pele" label or any other legend label is always a farce, never pay attention to it. I don't think anyone in their right mind thought he was the next pele. Just as likely no one really thought Nasri or Gourcoff were the " next zidane."
  12. Willian

    Holy crap bro, that is quite controversial to say that. Consdering Real Madrid just won the CL with Bale and Ronaldo. I find no evidence to support your claim. How does Sterling does not have exeptional ball control and work rate? I thought we were on the same page on what quality Bale and Sterling would add, but with your latest replay i think we might be on different page. Look every top team have players that can make strikers type run on the wing. Real does it with Ronaldo and Bale, they probably need less of it tbh. Barca for years had Pedro and Sanchez, and now with Neymar and Suarez. Bayern has Muller and Robben. Problem with our current forwards is that they ball watch, and are no threat off the ball. You only have to worry about them when on the ball. On the RW willian does not take advantage of the space he is given, and mainly a threat when moving through the center. As i said Sterling and Bale would better exploit this, provide better width. I am pretty sure i have seen us linked to Sterling, Costa and Bale more then Pogba recently. We shell see but my bet is that we sign a RW then a midfielder. Agreed 100%. Popular belief on this forum is Willian would be much better in the middle. So my logic is if that is the case isn't better to move Willian through the middle, and get someone to play his current position. As i have said in another post you fix two positons from our current team. Rather then signing a CAM/CM where you still leave one positon still need fixing.
  13. Willian

    Then we just have to agree to disagree, because that is exactly what we need. Cesc, Oscar, Hazard, and Willian all like to be on the ball and they all prefer to make the pass then receiving it. We need more off the ball movements and runs, we have plenty of players that look to make the pass and that want to help in the buildup. Adding this demension would make us much more balance then adding a Pogba or Koke. As for Mou, i expect him to do what he has done through out his career. His expertise is playing on the counter and a direct style. Which is fine. He has never been one to want more possession, so i wont expect anything else. I feel adding a player like Sterling/Bale is much more likely what we will actually do in the summer then signing a Pogba or Koke.
  14. Oscar

    I find it strange that Daily Mail makes no attempt to sensationalise Mou quotes, while some here attempt to do so. Quit bizzare tbh.
  15. Eden Hazard

    He is much more consistent compared to last season it's unbelievable. Even when the whole team is on bad form, he is at least putting in a 8/10 performance. Couldn't ask more from your best player.