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  2. Chelsea Transfer Pub

    Guillem Balague? Definitely not happening.
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    Makes only sense as a striker. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk
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    People forget that Alaba's positional awareness is not that great and he only wins 56% of his aerial duels, while Zouma wins 82% of his aerial duels. Alaba is 180 cm tall and he does not have Ricardo Carvalho's jumping abilities. He will have a rough life in PL, that is for sure Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk
  5. Chelsea v Spurs

  6. Chelsea Transfer Pub

    Roman can cover Alaba signing with signing fee. Basically give him 200k per week salary and 20m on hands. Not sure is it legal? But Roman can do this without club being involved... Roman and Zahavi have great relationship.
  7. RIP DIEGO MARADONA

  8. Chelsea v Spurs

  9. RIP DIEGO MARADONA

    ^^^^ excellent post. Agree Ballack was underestimated, absolutely immense player. Suppose the other thing is It is understandable that a players status is slightly more elevated when they die, like artists, musicians. Maradona was one of the greats, no doubt, of that era. With VAR now *spits*, a lot of his stuff would have been hauled back for a free kick. eg that wonder second goal against England probably would have been VAR ed back to the foul on Hoddle, as would the first obviously. Not bitter
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  11. Chelsea v Spurs

    Havertz also available after playing some minutes at Rennes.
  12. 11. Timo Werner

    I try to base my judgement on how he is playing for Chelsea, rather than how he played for RB or what managers might have wanted him. The second point is very debatable anyway, we have no way of knowing just how interested other clubs were. They might have liked the idea of having him in the team, but did not deem him worth what we paid. I also don't base my judgement of him from the last two games. I have noticed the same tendencies from the first friendly we saw him in. He works hard, is very fast and if given space will find a goalscoring position. It is not a question of him being a bad player, but he has also shown some clear weaknesses so far. If you think that his first touch or passing is good, then fair enough it is your opinion. What I have seen is a different story though, and for me his touch lets him down quite often. The ball gets away from him and he either loses it or the attack loses momentum. I also find it very rare to see him provide any more advanced passes (such as link-up play in the attack). He is not expected to be Fabregas so I don't hold it against him too much, but when you are likely to face a low block in most of your games passing becomes a very important secondary attribute. In terms of being clinical in front of the goal I would like to hold of on any serious judgement a bit longer, but I am becoming a bit worried there too. Again, he is a good player that I like having in the team. He provides a lot of qualities that help us move the ball fast which is an improvement from last season. I am just questioning whether he will have the qualities to match the level of strikers such as Kane, Aguero and Drogba to name a few. Also, the comparison to Kalou was not in terms of them being the exact same player, which I think was clear in context. It was about the role in the squad. It is also not a suggestion for tomorrow, but in the future if Chelsea manage to deal with the more urgent needs in the squad.
  13. Chelsea Transfer Pub

    I'd rather us go for someone like Upamecano, Gimenez is very injury prone. If Giminez wasn't injury prone then he would've been perfect. Verstuurd vanaf mijn KB2003 met Tapatalk
  14. Super Frank Thread

    Shearer meets Lampard: Abramovich’s support, rebuilding Chelsea & dropping stars https://theathletic.com/2223577/2020/11/27/shearer-lampard-abramovich-chelsea/ What is it about Frank Lampard and timing? Of all the qualities that defined a phenomenal playing career, the most uncanny was the way he would get himself into the perfect position at the perfect moment, driving himself towards the box to meet the ball, which he would dispatch with the precision of a surgeon and the power of a thunderbolt. The same quality clings to Frank in management and, like always, he is making the most of it. I remember a few people suggesting Frank would be a stop-gap appointment as Chelsea head coach when he returned to the club he graced as a midfielder for so long last summer. You could understand the logic — there was a transfer embargo at Stamford Bridge and Eden Hazard was leaving, so perhaps a big job was less enticing for the established names — except that it underestimated his appetite to graft and learn and improve. As Frank, 42, tells The Athletic, “You don’t get the Chelsea job after one year at Derby (County), that’s not the norm”, but if his history as a player was instrumental in taking him back to London, to his club, the rest was down to him. That’s the thing about timing. It might bring you an opportunity, but you still have to take it and this has always been what sets Frank apart. Make no mistake, luck is irrelevant. It is a side-effect of hard work. Timing is the theme of this interview, which coincides with Roman Abramovich’s 1,000th match as Chelsea owner. Under Abramovich, Chelsea have been transformed into serial winners but their managers have never been permanent fixtures, which makes the timing thing so interesting. The clock is always ticking. As usual, Frank’s timing has been a blur, from “shitting myself” before his first squad meeting at Derby, to resting £70 million footballers and moulding a huge club, all in the space of two years. So far, so good. Last season was hugely impressive given the transitional circumstances, lifting Chelsea into the Champions League and to the FA Cup final, blooding young players along the way. After a summer of hefty spending, Frank acknowledges that expectations have risen now, but his team have risen with them. They have won six games in a row, qualified for the last 16 of the Champions League with two group games to spare and last weekend they were briefly top of the Premier League. It is debatable whether my timing is quite as proficient. It turns out that Frank has agreed to chat to me on his day off, which makes me feel a bit guilty, although he says it has temporarily stopped him being “put to work around the house.” He and Christine, his TV presenter wife, walked their dog for an hour and a half that morning, but he had also written his programme notes for Sunday’s match against Tottenham Hotspur. Switching off is so difficult… The subject of Frank’s notes? It had to be Abramovich, the secretive oligarch who bought the club in 2003, since when they have won 16 major trophies, including five Premier League titles, five FA Cups and the Champions League and improved in every possible manner. Frank has been around for so much of that era — more than 600 games — and was there at the start, when Abramovich swept into their rundown training facilities at Harlington. “My first memory of Roman in the flesh was him flying into our old training ground near Heathrow and coming over and holding a meeting with us as the helicopter was calming itself down,” Frank says. “It was quite surreal. The first thing he said, through a translator, was, ‘Well, we need to improve the training ground’. And straight away, you think, ‘OK, standards are instantly going to go through the roof’. “And they did. We signed big players in the first year. There was an element of fear amongst us younger players in terms of what it meant. A few of us managed to stay in the game and all levels rose around us. It’s been the most successful patch in the club’s history and we couldn’t have done any of it — consistently winning trophies, new training ground, building the squad, the capital put into the club, turning us into a world brand — without the owner.” Does Abramovich get the recognition he deserves? “He gets it from Chelsea fans, because they’ve lived it and seen it,” Frank says. He is an ambitious, rich, ruthless and successful owner, but within the same answer Frank makes a softer point. “I was so proud to be at the club when COVID hit,” he says. “Our reaction was fantastic in terms of not furloughing our staff, in giving the Stamford Bridge hotel to NHS workers very quickly. I know other clubs did similar stuff, but Chelsea showed a lot of heart.” We know so little about Abramovich beyond his fabulous wealth and his track record at Chelsea. He has never talked in public and now we rarely see him, either, following those issues with his visa. When he watched the team beat Krasnodar in Russia last month, it was the first time he had attended a live Chelsea match since a pre-season friendly against Red Bull Salzburg in Austria in July 2019. Does Frank have a personal relationship with him? Did he play a role in Frank’s appointment? Does it count for much? “In terms of his level of involvement, he was very visible at the training ground in the early years and occasionally after games and now obviously that’s changed,” he says. “That’s maybe natural in how his life has moved as well as the club, and we know there are different reasons behind that. “When I came back to the club, no; it was Marina (Granovskaia, the director), who contacted Derby and then myself to make that happen. I saw Roman on pre-season last year and it was big smiles and not cuddles but welcomes and handshakes. From then, I haven’t had a close, close relationship with him, albeit I report back my thoughts on games, on where I see us and where I see us moving forward consistently through Marina and I’m very happy with that. “I would say the relationship is close without being practically close day-to-day or week-to-week. I feel the support from afar, but it’s very straight, very cut-and-dried and that’s how I try to give it back. If I’m commenting on how we’re playing or performing, I don’t beat around the bush. Whether good or bad, I think that’s the right policy with a man of that level. He’s a man who gets things done; you don’t get to his position without that.” It raises that timing business again, the particular moment Frank arrived, the leeway he will be given as a legendary figure at Chelsea, whether he felt he was jeopardising that status. I have brief experience of that dilemma — so brief you could have blinked and missed it — when I managed Newcastle United, my hometown club, in 2009. It didn’t end as I would have wished, but still. It was a no-brainer for me. I had no choice; I had to do it. For Frank, there had been just that single season with Derby, who he took to the Championship play-offs. It was not much of a run-up. You could make the argument that elevation came very early, but his position was the same as mine. How could you turn it down? “It’s my club and the pull of it was always going to get me, no matter where I might have been,” he says. “I didn’t know when that Chelsea opportunity might come around again, if ever. “On top of that, the idea of staying at Derby was a tough one. It was at a tough period and I think that’s become evident now. So the decision was clear-cut, but I did have doubts — if ‘doubts’ is the right word. (Managing) Derby was doing it on a much smaller scale, tight-knit, expectations level so-so and some games would go under the radar if you didn’t get a great result. “At Chelsea, I knew all of that would change instantly and I wanted to have a positive impact because I knew that my name and the ex-player thing wouldn’t last that long. So yeah, I had a lot of doubts. I got to work. One thing I’m pretty good at is trying to listen and learn and react. I’m open to that. I’m my own biggest critic, so there’s loads of things from last year, loads of little moments where I look back and try and keep improving on.” What about his own stellar reputation at Chelsea and the jeopardy of tarnishing it? “You can’t think about it,” he says. “It doesn’t really bother me. As a player, it would; I really held onto being one of the elder statesmen of the team, one of the better performers and I loved that. It was a drive for me. But moving to Manchester City and New York City and then coming out of football for a year and going to Derby and experiencing the world changed my view a lot. “I don’t rely on that in the way I used to when I was playing for the club. I want to be successful, this is my club and it always will be, even if the fans knock me out of the door because I didn’t succeed.” There is no sign of that and quite rightly, and although Frank hasn’t cracked it — when do you ever in this tumultuous business? — he has answered those early questions. “I understood that people will have made those judgments on me in the beginning,” he says. “My playing career had a lot to do with it, and the transfer ban, and what big-name managers would potentially have taken the job, meant that things probably aligned in my favour. “That said, losing Eden (Hazard) was a big deal. For me, since Cristiano Ronaldo, he’s the only absolutely world-class player who has left the Premier League in their prime. Maybe you could add Gareth Bale. In a period after that, with younger players, there are going to be highs and lows and a transition and in those periods people will look and go, ‘What have you got behind you as a manager?’, and I haven’t got much. “I’m constantly trying and, because of who I am, I want to fight that battle. Because I did it as a player, I want to show I can carry on doing it now. Last year felt like a success to me, but the goalposts move again now because of the players we’ve brought in and I’ll be judged on an ongoing basis. I haven’t proved it yet.” On the subject of those younger players, what a sea-change it’s been at Chelsea, a club that has found it difficult to connect a brilliant academy with the first-team. It had a bit to do with necessity, with that temporary halt on transfers, but Frank has nurtured the likes of Mason Mount, Tammy Abraham, Reece James and Fikayo Tomori. Finally, they are benefitting from their own investment, their own talent, thanks to Frank. Again; timing and making the most of it. “I’m close to Neil Bath, who has run our incredible academy for so long,” Frank says. “I understand why (previous) managers didn’t rely on young players because a lot of them came in and were under pressure to win immediately and at times those players weren’t ready. For me, the circumstances made it slightly different, but the lads have to take the credit because every one of them, in their own way, has proved himself. “That’s the first step. The second step is sustaining it, but it makes me very proud. They’re great to work with because they want to learn. They feel the club. They’re easy, they’re sponges, you can take them for extra work and they’re still developing as players. That’s great for where I am as a manager because you can really get hold of them and test yourself in their early steps in the team. They’ve all shown they deserve to be there.” It wouldn’t work without the guidance and support of Chelsea’s older heads and Frank has that, too, whether or not they are in the team. “That’s hugely important,” he says. “When you’re a coach or manager you have a huge responsibility, but you also don’t sit in the dressing room. I hardly ever go in. So you rely on people like Olivier Giroud, who is a great example because he’s not always playing. “Maybe some senior players would turn away, but Oli and (fellow striker) Tammy have a great relationship. Because of the lack of crowds, I can hear the substitutes behind me and Oli is constantly praising Tammy when he holds the ball up or does some good centre-forward play. That’s special. With someone like Thiago Silva, who doesn’t have the language (the Brazilian only joined this summer), it’s through performance, the way he prepares and trains and his serious nature. That’s an instant rub-off.” It is easy to forget that Frank is still relatively new to this. He comes across as composed and polite and genial, but he has bared his teeth on a few occasions, whether standing up to Liverpool counterpart Jurgen Klopp on the touchline or making some big calls over team selection. It is still the start of something for him, but he is clearly not afraid to stand up for himself, to be front of shop. “Being a player on the cutting edge for so long, which I was with Chelsea because we were always competing, means you either have it in you — and I probably did — or you develop it over time and become slightly hardened,” he says. “Manager is obviously a completely different role, but standing up for myself is a natural one, especially in games. I do get competitive and sometimes I look back and feel I over-reacted, but that’s just in me. “I had that with Jurgen, and afterwards it was all fine and that’s how it should be. In terms of selection, it’s one of those things you can’t get taught how to do. You have to take uncomfortable decisions and I make them weekly because of the size of our squad. Sometimes, I’m leaving top-class players out of the (match-day) squad entirely, which is really tough. They’re just decisions you have to make. If you shy away from them, they get you in the end.” Frank calls it the most difficult part of his week. “You’ll know it when you’re a player or manager, you’ve done both, you hang around to try and nick someone for a moment and have that conversation because it’s awkward from both ends,” he says, although, “the more you do it, the more you feel comfortable doing it and you realise it’s just part of the job. I try and be straight with the players”. At Chelsea, more than most clubs, there is not much scope for sentiment or hesitation. Despite all that silverware, Frank is their ninth manager in a decade. Perhaps this newly-discovered focus on youth will alter their trajectory but equally, perhaps not. Sir Bobby Robson, my old manager at Newcastle called his first autobiography — he rattled off a few! — Time On The Grass, but you get the feeling time must have offended Abramovich along the way. It is difficult to knock that approach when it has worked so well for Chelsea, even if it can chew people up. Does Frank feel that pressure to win? Is he allowed to build a team and club like Klopp, who took nearly four years to win a trophy at Anfield? Or does it need to be this season, now that Chelsea have returned to a well-trodden path by signing Kai Havertz, Timo Werner, Ben Chilwell and the rest for so much money? “I honestly don’t know the answer,” he says. “I’d be a fool to say ‘No’, because that answer can only come from the owner and whether he feels the club should be winning things at that moment. I’ve been here as a player when managers have moved on regularly and I’m under no illusions about it. I don’t think I can ever afford to get ahead of myself. “Last year was definitely transitional. We didn’t have the players of previous eras. Eden was such a big player. People like Diego Costa and Cesc Fabregas. Before then, it might have been myself, John Terry, Didier Drogba and Petr Cech. Last year we had younger players and we were searching and so it felt different. I know that won’t last forever. I’ve already said that this year looks different again. “I still feel like we’re developing, like the plan may not ‘take’ this season but next season in terms of really competing and getting the consistent level that Liverpool and Manchester City can produce. They’ve done that over a period. Even Pep (Guardiola). He won during that spell, but it’s been quite a long time of developing and it feels like we’re in a different position to that. But I can’t be the one to call that. It’s always going to be the owner’s shout.” Chelsea finished last season 33 points behind champions Liverpool; now, the difference is just two. There is a lot of football to be played, but it feels like progress. “I know we’ve got a more powerful squad this year,” Frank says. “When you’ve spent the money we’ve spent, we need to close the gap, without a doubt. How much we can close it is what we’ll be defined by in the end. It feels like we’re within touching distance and we weren’t for such a lot of last year. “It’s very easy to write yourself off. We knew we weren’t going to win the league — most clubs did — and then you settle for fighting for third or fourth. Our mentality has got to be… We want to make that step where we really get tough about closing that gap in a big way. We’re in that process, I think.” Frank is pleased with their current run, how the team “look more balanced and the relationships on the pitch look better” after he switched back to 4-3-3. The new players are bedding in, the lack of a pre-season is being ironed out of them and he hopes that some of that is “credit to the work” he and his staff are responsible for. Tightening up at the back has been pivotal. “It was hugely important,” he says. “It was the thing I took away from last season. There were a lot of plusses. I was happy with Champions League qualification. Losing the FA Cup final was a bitter taste at the end, but it was the goals conceded we needed to look at. Actually, it was both boxes; we created a lot and weren’t clinical enough. You can’t win anything like that. We weren’t protecting the zone between the posts — where you would have scored a lot of your goals. We’ve worked hard on that.” Effort has underpinned Frank’s career. The minute you coast in football is the minute football will remind you who’s boss, but he is a striver, confident but not arrogant. I wonder how long it takes to feel secure or comfortable as a manager, to establish yourself? Is he there yet? “No, no. I don’t yet, and I’m not sure if I will! I was like you as a player — when people ask me, ‘When did you know you’d made it?’, I couldn’t answer. Mid-twenties? Thirties, even? I always wanted more out of myself. I was competitive. I’d be crazy to say that now, when you look at the managers who have won big things. Maybe they can do the job much more on autopilot when they have a real structure. I’m still working daily to get better.” One of those managers is Jose Mourinho, another fixture of the Abramovich age. It is fitting that Mourinho’s Tottenham are the opponents for Abramovich’s 1,000th Chelsea game. “I learned a great deal from him,” Frank says, “particularly the first time he came to the club because I was in the sweet spot of being a player who needed a bit of direction, a bit of a lift. “It was probably more of a self-confidence boost, that feeling I could improve and go up a level. Training and tactics are one thing, but mentality is as big for me. With Jose’s demeanour when he walked through the door, he dragged me along and dragged me upwards to a level I hadn’t been at before.” Mourinho is not a mentor to Frank. The circumstances do not allow it. “We’re managers of rival clubs across London,” he says. “I sent him a message when he got the job at Tottenham and he’ll send me messages when things happen around me and in my life and we always ask how each other’s families are, but I know what we’re both like. It’s the competitive level we’re both at. “It’s not like we chat too much, but I’ve got no problem with him. We had a little bit on the line when we played in the Carabao Cup this season but, again, it’s that competitive edge. It just feels natural to me that when I go up against people I worked with, I want to beat them. I’m sure Jose would be very honest about that, too.” It is the life Frank has chosen for himself and one he is committed to. “I love doing what I do,” he says. “It can be tough when you don’t get results and you’re trying to find solutions, but if you took it away from me tomorrow, I’d have a massive void. I’ve got great admiration for (73-year-old Crystal Palace manager) Roy Hodgson doing it at the time of his life and I’m not sure I’d go that far because it’s so taxing, but I want to give being successful with Chelsea my best shot for as long as I can.” He keeps in touch with Terry, who is now coaching at Aston Villa. Ditto Steven Gerrard, his midfield partner with England, at Rangers. Wayne Rooney, another old England colleague, is pushing for the now-vacant manager’s post at Derby and Frank’s advice is, “Do it, go for it, although you have to do it with everything you’ve got. It’s not a job where you can say, ‘Ah, I’ll see how it goes’. You have to throw yourself into it. “The first day I walked into Derby, I was shitting myself. I really was. It came upon me so quickly. I met Mel Morris, the owner. I was offered the job which was a big leap for him and a big leap for me. I’d played against a lot of the players. I played with some of them for my country. It’s how you package that first meeting, that first training session, of what you want to be. It’s so important. I had all those worries. “What I was determined to do was to listen and learn — from everybody. I watch you and Wrighty (Ian Wright) and Gary (Lineker) on Match of the Day. There will be times when something’s said I don’t like and it gets your back up. Maybe we’ve been dug out because we can’t defend set pieces, so the next day I go into work and say quietly, ‘I want to have a look at set pieces one more time!’ I like listening to other managers, podcasts of other coaches. If I can take bits from that, I will. You’ve got to be yourself, but you can still suck all that stuff in.” Frank has always done that. He reminds me that, at 16 or 17, he was called up to train with the England squad ahead of Euro ’96 by Terry Venables, along with other young players including Rio Ferdinand. It is something that Gareth Southgate has done more recently, giving those lads a little taste of the big time, something to aspire to. It was the first time our paths crossed. “I was a young kid looking up to the big boys,” he says. And I was playing when Frank made his debut for the senior England team and he provided me with an assist for the only overhead kick of my career. You can tell sometimes when team-mates have management within them and he was one of those. He’s bright and clever and knows the game and he has a way about him. That shows in what he’s done so well with Chelsea’s youngsters. His personality is so strong, in a good way. I’ve probably taken up enough of his day off at this point, although those continual demands are another peril of management. “It’s one of the biggest parts of the job, finding that balance, trying to avoid burnout,” he says. “At whatever level you manage, we all have our problems, however different they look. It’s all-consuming, it’s daily, it’s flicking from one game to the next, you review, you plan, you have meetings. It’s a tough job. “I try and use days off to try and not think and talk about football constantly. I lean on Christine a lot for that. We walk the dog, I go to the gym; you’ve got to stay healthy and I’ve always relied on that to switch my mind off, to keep fresh. I don’t have too many hobbies, so in my downtime, it’s important to be at home and spend time with family and come away from it for a bit.” Life, football; it is all about time and how you use it, that great Lampard speciality. He will find the answers, because he is too talented not to. Until he does, he will work his nuts off. And when he does, he’ll work even more.
  15. Chelsea Transfer Pub

    Yes, even as a free signing Alaba doesn't fit Chelsea's budget and I've read he is looking at Spain, Italy in any case. Thiago Silva-Alaba is not an ideal defense either.Younger CB like Gimenez will likely be our target
  16. Chelsea Transfer Pub

    From Alaba's perspective it would be a strange move for him since Chilwell is our undisputed starting LB. But from Frank's perspective it would be a briliant signing. He could rotate both Chilwell or Silva easily without any big drop in quality. For the right price I'd take him in an instant. Dramatically improves our depth in defense with his versatility and pedigree.
  17. Chelsea Transfer Pub

    According to Raphael Honigstein on the The Athletic back in September, Bayern offered to raise his wages to just under 290k per week, bonuses included, in a new four-year deal but Alaba wants it closer to 400k per week and a five-year contract. Unless Alaba has suddenly lowered his demands, definitely can't see it happening and if he has lowered his demands, he would likely be staying at Bayern anyway.
  18. Chelsea Transfer Pub

    Agreed, it would strengthen our squad but I'd rather us go with a longterm signing instead. I didn't know his wage demands was that crazy, no way we'd pay him over 300k. Verstuurd vanaf mijn KB2003 met Tapatalk
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    Unless this rumor gets reported by the English media as well, I don't believe it's true and I don't even think a move is on the cards. The reason he is very likely to leave Bayern next summer is because he wants BIG wages (more than 300k) and Bayern aren't willing to pay him that. I don't see us suddenly breaking the bank for someone who turns 29 years old next year - not when the pandemic is still ongoing - and will have next to no resale value whatsoever. If we break the wage structure because of this, everyone else is gonna start demanding a huge rise in wages down the line. Lots of the stories have suggested that he has his eyes set on Spain. He also isn't going to replace Chilwell at LB and as for CB, there are better and cheaper options out there - long term wise.
  20. Chelsea Transfer Pub

    He'd be a good backup for Chilly and Silva to be honest. He still is a very good left-back, and decent at CB considering Bayern won the CL with him playing there.
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    Alaba is not even that good as a CB Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk
  22. RIP DIEGO MARADONA

    I am not hating on Maradona. I love him much more than Messi or CR7, but Maradona is not better than those two I mentioned. The comparison between Messi and Maradona regarding winning WC is unfair because many times you need luck to win WCs. Maradona beat England with two goals that should not have counted. First it was the hand of god and then Sergio Batista fouled glenn hoodle (ball was somewhere else) and then 5 seconds Maradona scored his most famous goal ever. You say that Argentine had a bad squad. That may be true, but how bad must have been England back then when they could not even score a goal against a bad Argentina? They must have been horrible, especially judging how they defended against Maradona and the fact they could not score against a bad Argentinian side. You say that Messi had a better squad than Maradona. Even though England must have been far worse than Argentina back then because of the facts that I mentioned, let's say your point is true. Let's talk about Messi in the WC final 2014. Argentina had horrible players like Romero, Rojo, Garay and Martin fucking Demichelis as their best defender and GK in their starting line. This is some garbage. I never understood how they even got into the final with that squad . Ohh wait, maybe it was Messi? Messi's second best player in the team was prime Di maria and he was injured in that final. In my opinion, Argentina would have even won with prime Di Maria but we will never know. So Argentina played very defensively because of the horrible players they have and they missed their second best player in offense. Germany on the other hand, had a squad full of world class or near world class players. Apart from Kramer, höwedes and Klose, their starting line up was near WC or WC. Those players I just mentioned are not even that bad. Klose was still good and probably had a better game than Higuain. So, Germany's starting line up was much superior than Argentina, especially in defense. I consider it a wonder that Argentina survived that long. I am pretty sure that Messi would have won the title with Germany too, if he was German lol. So now you might say, why did Messi not win 2010? Even if Argentina somehow managed to win with a horrible defense against Germany, would Argentina have beaten spain? Spain from 2008 to 2012 might be the best national team of all time. Messi would have won the title with them too. You say, you judge players based on their achievements. Ronaldo Nazario in my opinion is the best striker ever. Did he win the CL? No. Did he win WC? Yes. Ronaldo Nazario won the WC 2002 because Oliver Kahn bottled a match like he never bottled a game before. After the first goal conceded, Germany was nervous and Ballack was not playing because he was suspended. So without Kahn's mistake and Ballack suspended, who knows what could have happened. Funny thing is that Brazil 2002 had insane luck against Turkey in semi finals. Turkey received two red cards and Brazil received a penalty. Rivaldo dived and someone got sent off and the one penalty was not a penalty because it was outside of the penalty box. Even if it was a foul, it was not in the penalty box. So basically Ronaldo had a lot of luck during WC and Messi did not. If Neuer was bottling like Oliver Kahn, Messi would have won the WC 2014 too lol. Coming back to judging players based on achievements. Michael Ballack never won anything big in his life. In my opinion, he is at least top three German midfielders of all time. I think Matthäus was better, but Ballack I think is the second place. Ballack lost 2 CL finals and he lost 1 WC final. 2002 WC final he missed because he was suspended. He lost with Leverkusen against Real Madrid, in which Zidane scored a world class goal. Nothing wrong with losing to Madrid, who had a better squad. He lost against Manchester United in the CL final because John Terry was not good enough to score a penalty. Was it his fault that he never won a big trophy? Not in my opinion. Can he be considered maybe as the greatest German midfield player ever? In my opinion yes, even though I think it is someone else. Fucking Pogba won the world cup and he is nowhere near the level of Ballack. Prime Ballack would have won the with France 2018 or with Germany 2014. But he never had the luck just like Messi never had luck. Coming back again to your point about judging players based on achievements. In my opinion, Suarez is Ronaldo Nazario level. Maybe a little better, maybe a little worse. I think Suarez is a little bit worse than Ronaldo, but ok. Suarez played the best PL season a PL striker ever played. In 33 matches, he scored 31 goals and had 17 assists. He had Messi level stats in PL. Did he win the PL? No. Is there a case that he had the best PL striker season of all time? Yes. Is he maybe the best PL striker PL has ever seen? Judging based on his short time he was in PL, there will probably never be another Suarez. Did Suarez win the WC like Ronaldo did? No. He still is close to Ronaldo Nazario in my opinion. You will not win the WC with Uruguays squad. By the way, you say that replacing Messi in a Barcelona team with Maradona would not change anything? Messi scored more than 50 goals for Barcelona in 2010. Maradona in his whole Napoli career scored 80 goals,while Maradona scored 20 goals with Barcelona and won only one cup. You do realise that Messi and Ronaldo are much better goal scorer than Maradona, regardless if he played in Serie A against Maldini, Baresi and Nesta. When Messi took the next step, he was the reason why Barcelona ended Real Madrids La Liga title run. Maradona was the best of his era, but Messi and CR7 are better than him. People forget how many goals and assist players like Messi and Ronaldo do and how much quality their goals are. I just watched Maradonas goaly for Napoli and they are all good, but Messi and Ronaldo have scored much better goals to be honest. And I love Maradona million times more than both messi and cr7. Maradona had his charisma that was something else. Now, about the Pele vs Maradona debate. Maradona was much better. Maradona faced Maldini, Baresi and Nesta. Pele faced nobodys. Phil Jones would have been considered the goat defender back in Pele's time. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk
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    When it comes to the Premier League etc, he is unreliable. So I agree with that loool. However from what I've heard his sources in Germany are accurate. Verstuurd vanaf mijn KB2003 met Tapatalk
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    Also the same fella who claimed Mount was not happy that we signed Havertz, which was then debunked as complete BS by Mount's father, Matt Law etc.
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    Christian Falk is very reliable to be fair.
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